Look, I understand if you are unhappy with the way SL has gone, specifically the way SL Gor has changed over the years...BUT...those that run this grid have accounts in SL as well, and have been around for years. You can't tell me that they don't recognize these items as stolen. If you want to go off to some other grid and do your own thing, by all means, go do you, but don't disrespect the countless hours that have gone into creating these items and the revenue lost for these merchants by copybotting or encouraging the use of copybotted material. One of the main tenants of Gor that so many of you argue about people not having is honor...pot calling the kettle black much?
Late coming to the party here, but this is so true. My Artisan Fantasy store has had items copied and taken to this grid. I guess integrity is too much to ask for. I have written Havoc Rau, having been told he is one of the grid owners. So we'll see if he replies. One question .... did you reach out to the carious creators you mentioned? I am wondering if they were able to make any headway. Thank you!!
ReplyDeleteHavoc replied to me saying he was not one of the owners, but suggested that I reach out to RSVP Turian. Seems RSVP Turian is the head of the grid and, according to Havoc, will see to it unauthorized items are removed. Will share again if I learn more.
ReplyDeleteLark, I apologize for just now responding to you. I believe I did send a notecard to those creators when I made the discovery. I didn't hear back from anyone, and didn't want to spam people. I don't honestly believe they will remove the items, as they would have to remove them from all users inventory as well as in world. My understanding they are porting these over from other OpenSim grids, so the problem isn't solely with them; however, no one can tell me they didn't know what they were doing when they used those items.
DeleteWish I had some good news to report. Unfortunately, RSVP Turian nor anyone else has bothered to reply or comment on my ticket. So in the end, it seems they are not only going to turn a blind eye, they are actually endorsing theft. If the grid owners are not willing to stand up for what is right, then it is a shame. So much for honor in this world. I am not going to waste my energy. But I do want to thank you for bringing this to light and hope that others will take caution.
DeleteThis is why I banned the majority of that team, or those I could see that were part of that team, from my sim and store. It's because of things like these that we removed the store displays of our collars a long time ago. We are a small store, and get very few sales. We don't even make enough to cover our expenses, and things like this really don't help.
DeleteHello, I am from CE grid and for those of you that think we have stolen items from you as vendors- COME show me and we will take them down unless we have a receipt of purchase for them. Also, keep in mind we don't bring them from SL. Open sim has something called hypergriding which allows you to shop at 100's of different stores all over the metaverse for free. How do WE know the vendors haven't brought over items themselves that are older items - we can't just accuse people of being thieves as you have here. Someone accused us once of stealing something and I personally had bought the item on Daz3D which is where we get much of our inventory. This really is a slander against good people and now that I have found this site, you may end up hearing it from many more of us. Katanya, I get all the emails from people that complain about items being taken from SL but I have NOTHING from you and additionally I don't see you are banned. You do have to prove what you say if you call us thieves as so many of you have different names everywhere. Our TOS does NOT support stealing content from SL and we do enforce it.
ReplyDeleteIn the 7 plus years we have been in existence we have had 2 complaints period about stolen content- 1 was the Ares body- we removed it (they proved that it was stolen) I told them where we had gotten it, but by that time it had been distributed to hundreds of grids. 2. was a road from a small vendor and she was so kind and appreciative that we removed it so quickly- again, I told her where we got the road. There are 2 or 3 very large offenders on opensim but there is no way to know for sure that it's not the vendor that has brought the items over there themselves. You might also check Kitely Market as many SL vendors are selling there under different names YET just because they see the SL name on the item they make the assumption that it's stolen. We do support this market and they deliver to our grid- so again that is an assumption that is equally unfair. Also, we have people on our grid that are FRIENDS with some of the largest vendors over on SL - and they know and are OK with any items we do have of theirs. Come talk to us rather than make assumptions about our character. Gor is about honor and it's NOT honorable to just make assumptions about people without a conversation or reasonable explanation.
ReplyDeleteIt's true that people have hypergridded to other grids and found LOTS of stuff being given away for free, which they then accepted copies of, and used some of those items on the Counter-Earth Grid. That's what hypergridders do; there's literally over a thousand grids out there, something which many people from the Second Life Grid don't always understand.
ReplyDeleteThe difference found in the Counter-Earth Grid is that the Counter-Earth Grid goes out of it's way to purchase the items they have, from the original Second Life vendors, when those vendors can be identified. In the last 6 months alone, Counter-Earth Grid has purchased over US$500 worth of products from Second Life (and has the receipts to prove it), to recompense the vendors for things they've found of value by hypergridding to other grids and brought back to Counter-Earth. No other grid can make a comparable claim. None.
In the Counter-Earth Grid TOS, it states clearly that if a creator discovers their product in the Counter-Earth Grid, the Counter-Earth Grid will either remove it or pay the creator for that product. I've watched that happen, even when it was extremely inconvenient for the Counter-Earth Grid to remove all instances of the product. That's a sense of Gorean honor in action.
I've also seen that the same creators who came to the Counter-Earth Grid to lodge a complaint, do not make the effort to go to the other grids where thier items are being actively distributed, to seek either restitution or a desist in distribution. This makes me wonder at the motives of the creators who can't be bothered to stem the distribution of their products but will go after the only grid that actually pays them for those products while ignoring hundreds of others who are using and/or distributing the same products.